Against value in literature, for delight

An interesting exchange from near the end of the latest episode of John J Miller’s Great Books podcast, with translator David Slavitt talking about Orlando Furioso:

Miller: What is the value of reading Orlando Furioso today?

Slavitt: None whatever! There’s not a value of reading anything. I mean, there’s a value of reading instructions when you have a new electronic device, but reading by itself does not make anybody better, certainly doesn’t make anybody wiser, it just refines your sensibility. Now, a refined sensibility you would think is an advantage, but what it does is it allows you to be assaulted and affronted and outraged over and over again, probably fifty times more frequently than somebody who has no refinement whatever. The notion that reading is “good” or poems are “great”—all of that seems to me defensive without anybody having attacked. The reason for reading is that it entertains you. I can’t remember which medieval guy it was—Pound quotes him—[wrote that] the purpose of literature is . . . that it may move, that it may teach, that it may delight. And the delight part is more important than the other two. And without that, there’s no sense in undertaking the effort.

Miller: Does Orlando Furioso move and teach?

Slavitt: Well, it teaches because it gives you confidence to turn on any text or any saying, any utterance, and ask of it, “Are you kidding? Do you mean that? Is this true? Is it useful? Is it nonsense?” And “Is it nonsense?” is a question that all readers should bring to whatever they’re reading all the time.

Two things:

First, Slavitt is clearly responding to the instrumental use of literature, which is borne of a widespread viewpoint that to be of “value” a text must inform or persuade in a particular way. Literature must have a function; it must get you something. This is a commodification of literature, and pretty typically American in its pragmatism and evangelicalism. And Slavitt’s point that praising great literature smacks of protesting too much, of trying too hard to convince the unsympathetic that it’s worth their while, highlights the same problem. Note the metaphors this discussion has to fall back on: value, worth, etc.

I might quibble with Slavitt’s hyperbole here, but I agree that stories and literature must be enjoyed for their own sake before they can be “used” for anything. As it happens, delight will also give a good story staying power, and as Slavitt hints in his answers, delight will open you up to be taught and formed—the “useful” parts. Writers who entertain will continue to entertain and teach long after their “usefulness” has expired. Who do people still talk about more outside the classroom: Shakespeare or Upton Sinclair?

Second, Slavitt, in arguing that reading per se does not necessarily make a reader better or wiser (again, an instrumental assumption), brought to mind what might be my least favorite popular slogan: “Fight evil, read books.” Google that phrase and just see how much garbage merch you turn up. Beyond being a comma splice, this sentiment shouldn’t withstand even ten seconds of reflection. Have no evil people written books? Have no evil people been influenced by books? Do evil people not read, too? Are there no books modern people think are evil?

As with so much other nerd culture, the “Fight evil, read books” t-shirts and totes and bookmarks and memes are just so much self-serving gloating. Congratulations, you’re literate. But goodness—before you even get to “fighting evil”—takes more than a library card and an addiction to YA novels.

One of the delights of the above exchange is the 88-year old Slavitt’s wry crustiness and the usually unflappable Miller clearly struggling to recover from that first answer to a pretty standard wrap-up question. The episode doesn’t actually cover much of what Orlando Furioso is about, but it’s certainly piqued my interest to finally read this Renaissance epic and Miller and Slavitt’s discussion is great fun. Check it out.

Addendum: Coincidentally, after listening to this episode on my long Thursday commutes I tuned into the latest episode of Alan Cornett’s Cultural Debris, in which Holly Ordway discussed CS Lewis’s distinction between “using” and “receiving” literature. A helpful parallel line of thought.